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Senator Mike Lee (R-UT)

Wow.  The scrote-munching party has a real gem here.

Just days ago new Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) pontificated over the unconstitutionality of federal child labor laws.  Now he asserts federal disaster relief is unconstitutional, and managing catastrophe should be solely the responsibility of the state in crisis.

😯

When asked on the feasibility of a state handling a disaster the magnitude of Katrina, Lee responded:

Well, look, they were, and I generally make a practice of not unnecessarily and futilely going back a few years and saying we shouldn’t have done that because the fact is that we did. But looking forward…states will prepare differently if they understand that it’s their responsibility rather than that of the federal government. (Source)

So was Lee…

a) breastfed by mutant downwinders in Southern Utah

b) given turbo enemas with cold, briny water from The Great Salt Lake by his tranny nanny

c) waterboarded in the Provo Temple’s Baptism for the Dead bathtub until he was fluent in cocksucker

And the Mormons wonder why everyone thinks they suck.

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62 thoughts on “This Week in Nutters

  1. I am so confused. They want subsidies and earmarks from the feds for, uh … wealthy folks, businesses, ranchers, farmers, etc, but when it comes to the poor and middle class, the states should shoulder their troubles. Oh, wait – that IS their platform. OOPS.

    • I hate to sound Republican, but it’s so unamerican. My heart broke for Louisiana with Katrina then Rita. I spent half my childhood there. But I was afraid for Texas when Ike hit, I mourned for New York and all of my country on September 11th. Americans have a fire that I love, and I’ve been all around the nation, coast to coast, and felt it…these are my people. Even the ones that aren’t like me particularly.

      What kind of American wants to set up a nation where 49 other state’s look away from their neighbors in crisis?

      I’ve posted this song before, but I love it:

      • Commie.

        But you’re right — what is the point of having a nation at all if not collective action when needed? Dude sounds like he’s advocating a return to the Articles of Confederation, and I seem to recall a couple of states — NY and PA, maybe? — having *border wars* during that period.

        But hey, maybe Utah should be a test-case for his theories. Let’s start stripping federal funding from, I don’t know, higher education, the roads system, and, say, any projects involving water supply.

        I mean, if states knew they’d have to fund water projects themselves, maybe they wouldn’t locate themselves in a desert.

        • Namecaller. 😀

          Maybe the idea is to drive the poor away from their states. Or force them into relying on huckster, soul-sucking Jesus-oil salesmen. Trade bread for their slimy versions of salvation. I don’t know. I don’t make a habit of analyzing nuts beyond milking the absurdity of their positions.

          But excellent idea for Utah. 😉

  2. Me, I’m thinking his momma wandered over one of the old underground H-bomb sites. Remember that 3-eyed fish from the Simpsons? That was his pet……
    I hate to throw any support to this twip, but I’ll admit to a PARTIAL agreement about disaster relief. The states need to have A LITTLE immediate relief aid available. This is simply for first response – the Fed should handle the main effort. It would be better for the residents, though, if their state set aside some monies and equipment to get the ball rolling, since it takes time to organise and deploy Fed-level aid.
    You know, there has been some talk of the Mormons splitting off from the Union forming the country of Deseret. Maybe we need to get them together with the Quebecois, let ’em all go form their own little loonie bin (pun intended!).

    • But state’s do have emergency management agencies in place that work in conjunction the guard. (I’m a volunteer 🙂 ).

      Mormons think Jesus is coming to Missouri (former home of the Garden of Eden…don’t laugh. Okay, laugh. 😆 )

    • Sorry, I didn’t make myself clear. I’m kinda distracted – one of the few really good people in this town died last night, a vet and (bizarrely) a used car salesman. A great man in so many ways, and he honoured me by calling me his friend. Apologies – it hurts. 😦
      I do know there are state-level emergency services, but they’re usually geared toward a lower level of disaster – like one town getting hit by a tornado. (I’m not sure about the Gulf Coast states, so feel free to enlighten me! 🙂 ) Especially in states that can suffer huge disasters (and I include major snowstorms in Chicago, and stuff like that), the state-level resources are usually lacking, and as it takes a while to get Fed-level stuff going (especially with most of our helos and transport in Afghanistan), the states should try to close the gap. The Fed response to Katrina was FLAWED, absolutely. No way Louisiana could’ve closed THAT gap. But with more “set-asides”, even that poor level of Fed response could be partially ameliorated. Partially – but something’s better than nothing. (I include planning in the state-level expansion – nobody plans for the worst case, but it’s the worst case that bites you in the butt – a la Katrina.)

      • I’m sorry you lost your friend. 😦

        I think the southern states are closely networked. When Katrina hit, the sheriff of Tuscaloosa, Alabama and his team were among the initial first responders. The sheriff was behind Louisiana’s wildlife and fisheries who did the first rescues.

      • Thanks for your sympathy – it does help. 🙂
        In that case, it sounds like your area HAS done a lot of what I was thinking, an pretty much what this idiot SHOULD have said. It’d be nice if, say, Ohio could have some co-operation between cities, so that if Cleveland or Toledo get snowed under and Columbus is high and dry (not likely, but it could happen!), then Columbus could loan its’ assets to Toledo. Something like that would’ve been nice in Illinois – when Chicago gets snowed under, Rockford or Springfield are usually nowhere near as heavily hit, so they could loan units for initial response (and vice versa during the spring flooding along the western Illinois rivers). I don’t see it being expensive in terms of gear – everybody has enough for their area. I think it’s more of a networking issue. Maybe a “regional” or “issue-related” network, based on the Great Lakes or on snowstorm/hurricane/tornado relief, that could direct idle units to an emergency. Then again, you get into the fun of funding “extra” activities, and of creating the command center. Politics – ick.
        Maybe I WILL buy that snowblower this year! 😉

        • I just feel obliged to mention that I talked to so many people who came through Birmingham to help with all aspects of Katrina rescue and recovery. New England, the Midwest, even California. (Birmingham was a staging city.) Louisiana and Mississippi was their crisis, too.

          Immediately afterward, a call came from the state for people to be on stand by to help in case of another mass evacuation in the event of another storm.

          This little Utah douche hates food assistance administered federally, too. Alabama could not keep its poor fed without Massachusetts tax money (just to illustrate). Now, I’m more convinced there’s an angle to drive the poor to have to rely on Pat Robertson types. Gross.

        • I’m not criticizing the response to Katrina from other states. What I was trying to steer towards was some form of OFFICIAL means of sharing facilities. Something below the Fed, so it would be more responsive, but above the state level, so (say) Louisiana wouldn’t have to rely on “random acts of kindness”. (Ouch, I’m gonna get bit for THAT phrase!) I don’t even see that much money or infrastructure requirement. A system to communicate – heck, Facebook or something – between areas, and for area HQs to communicate. If Louisiana gets trashed, you send out an Email (or whatever) listing your needs. That goes to regional HQ “Gulf Coast” (or whatever) to pull help from MS, FL, TX, GA or whoever. Then “Gulf Coast Regional HQ” can contact other HQs (also through Email or whatever) to pull, say, unused Chicago plow trucks to haul people out and shove debris off roads. (Am I making ANY sense here?) An informal, low-cost setup using existing technologies to deploy existing assets to wherever they’re needed. No, my idea isn’t fully fleshed out, and yes there would be problems paying for the usage, but at least we could try the discussion. As opposed to this twip who basically says, “Suck it up, guys, you’re on your own!”.
          And don’t worry about the food pantry issue. Most pantries in this area ARE run by churches, there’s a LOT of use of them (my family included), and the churches are SANE. Unlike a few televangelists I could name……. 😉

          • I’m not criticizing the response to Katrina from other states.

            I know. I just felt guilty for excluding the other great states that stepped up. 🙂

            It’s insane for states not to be on the ball for managing the things you’re describing.

            (And I’m not anti-church. I’m anti forcing it on people.)

            • (And I’m not anti-church. I’m anti forcing it on people.)

              Just saw this.

              Speaks directly to my comments below.

              I’m not anti-government. I’m just anti forcing it on people.

              • I’m not anti-government. I’m just anti forcing it on people.

                Except if you’re an American, you have a duty. Some version is inherently executed. Whether it’s a government so small you can drown it in the City of New Orleans or something else.

  3. What kind of American wants to set up a nation where 49 other states look away from their neighbors in crisis?

    I think your moving back and forth between Government and “society”. I wanna live in a society that takes care of it’s neighbors. I grew up down the road from The Banks of Plum Creek. A barn would burn and all the neighbors would rush to help the livestock get escape and put the fire out. And animals that WERE lost were replaced through donations from friends and neighbors. Grain and feed were donated. The whole 9 yards.

    What it sounds like brother is objecting to is the concept that an individual, city or state depend on the federal government for said aid and neighborlieness.

    Katrina was a horrible horrible tragedy. All the more so because of the parking lots full of public school buses, lined up in row after row, up to the top of their tires in water.

    • The fed’s where the money is, plus it’s tasked with defending the public good. Let me ask you this — if *not* the fed, then who? From an altruism stand point, a reliability standpoint, an organizational standpoint, and from a “can afford and effect large scale action” standpoint?

      Serious question.

      • The fed’s where the money is,

        That’s the fear; it’s where the money is. Because folks know this to be true, the incentive is to rely on that money and forgo the personal responsibility.

        defending the public good.

        Defend the public good? I think you mean from enemies. The federal government’s role isn’t to prevent the affects of natural disasters.

        Let me ask you this — if *not* the fed, then who?

        The people themselves.

        • > The people themselves.

          “Persons” can stick fingers in dykes. Larger-type action requires sufficient funding/organization etc.

          Could “the people themselves” have built I-90, and the rest of the interstate system?

          Besides which, the fed *is* “the people themselves” to a certain extent.

        • > Defend the public good? I think you mean from enemies.

          No, I mean defending the public good. EPA, regulatory agencies, even the military. Non-government entities don’t have the well-being opf the state as part of their basic charter/philosophy. That’s why Machiavelli warned against mercs in The Prince.

          I recommend reading some of the biographies of women working in the meat-packing industry during the 30s, bios assembled by literary/jiournalism dept of the WPA. For-profit companies *cannot* be trusted to work in the best interests of a) their workers or b) the general public.

          Sometimes they do, but you really can’t trust “sometimes they do” to do the trick.

          • No, I mean defending the public good. EPA, regulatory agencies

            I would suggest that some of the things you say do, in fact, lie within the role of government. However, most of what you have in mind I suspect doesn’t belong to government.

            For example, look at the tremendous influence a private sector organization like Consumer Reports has on industry.

            For-profit companies *cannot* be trusted to work in the best interests of

            It may help with your fear of corporations if I told you that they are not even trying to work in the best interest of their workers. That is their worker’s role.

            In the same way I don’t shop in the best interest of gas station owners when I purchase gas.

            • > It may help with your fear of corporations

              No fear; just full appreciation of what they’re about. Fear runs; appreciation fixes the fixable and either scraps or lives with the unfixable, depending on cost/benefit.

              > they are not even trying to work in the best interest of their workers.

              So that proves my point, yes? Workers are citizens; the state has a vested interest in protecting its citizens, because the state *are* its citizens.

              If the state does not protect its citizens from those-that-hire’s excesses — if there is no recourse within the law — then the logical outcome IMO is the Molly McGuires.

            • Hi 0Whole1 – Sliding over to preserve space.

              just full appreciation of what they’re about.

              Corporations are about profit. Period.

              They are about profit in the same way I’m about maximizing my personal interests. When I’m discussing my salary, I try to maximize the value of it. That is, I may be willing to take a lower dollar amount if I don’t have to travel. It certainly means ALL things being equal, I’ll take the higher dollar amount.

              When I’m discussing my model train hobby, I’m constantly trying to look after my self interest there too. I may be willing to spend more money on a better toy train because I enjoy toy trains when they work; I don’t like fixing broken toy trains.

              When I’m discussing milk, I may find that I’m willing to drive a little further and pay a little more because Martha in the corner store knows my name, keeps baseball card stocked for my son and has the freshest milk in the county.

              Whatever it is we’re talking about, human beings tend to look to maximize their own interests. Corporations are the same.

              Now, in the course of pursuing those self interests, people will break laws. They’ll rob liqueur stores and commit fraud. They should be arrested, prosecuted and if found guilty, punished. Same with corporations. Without a doubt businesses will cheat and break the law; they should be punished too.

              So that proves my point, yes?

              We are in agreement on your point, yes. But I don’t think that’s an indictment of corporations like I feel you may.

              the state has a vested interest in protecting its citizens

              The state has an interesting maintaining “liberty” or “natural/divine rights”. It has no authority whatsoever to make sure that one person is treated “fairly” or not.

              If the state does not protect its citizens from those-that-hire’s excesses

              If the corporation is not breaking the law, changing the law to protect themselves or omitting fraud, the state has no interest. Period.

            • Pino – If you need help with those broken trains, my dad had an HO layout (supposedly for my sister and I – we all knew it was HIS toy!), and I think I remember the stuff sufficiently to be of help. Unless that was just an example, in which case, I will slink quietly back into my corner…… 🙂

              • Pino – If you need help with those broken trains, my dad had an HO layout (supposedly for my sister and I – we all knew it was HIS toy!), and I think I remember the stuff sufficiently to be of help. Unless that was just an example, in which case, I will slink quietly back into my corner……

                Thank you, I’ll drop a note if I need the help. While I had HO growing up, my trains are N-Gauge now.

    • No, I’m not moving back and forth. Government can be/is (when it isn’t) a means to implement the will of the people.

      Firefighters (a socialist institution funded by local governments, the people) came from Florida, California, North Carolina and other places to help New Yorkers with the crisis caused by 9/11.

      In my view, good citizens extend their notion of neighborliness beyond the borders of their states. Aesop’s idea works: united stand, divided we fall.

      Society is too ambiguous a notion. Not everyone is privileged with resourced neighbors who can help. If you live where everyone is poor, is it right to take food from people who can barely afford to replenish their own tables?

      • No, I’m not moving back and forth.

        You say:

        What kind of American wants to set up a nation where 49 other state’s look away from their neighbors in crisis?

        As if to imply that – if there is a thing the government doesn’t do, that society can’t or won’t see to it that it gets done.

        I want to live in a society where a man asks a woman’s father for her hand in marriage [this is a “Apple Pie” kinda thang, an ideal not a specific]. I certainly don’t want the government mandating that be done [here I am speaking in the specific. See, when the government DOES mandate certain things, we are left with yucky laws like the prohibition of gay marriage].

        I find it dangerous to begin to legislate what I wish society would do on it’s own.

        If you wanna contribute to the relief of those in need, I urge you to do so. If you want ME to contribute to the relief of those in need, knock on my door or write a nifty blog and solicit that help. But if you walk to my neighbor’s house, ask him for help, and he declines…well, I find it in poor form to pass a law that puts him in jail if he doesn’t hand that money over.

      • this song

        I like it.

        You know what I find interesting?

        That inside, all of us, each of us, knows what the right thing is to do to. And we realize that the collective is, at times, the only way to bring that “right thing” about.

        Without knowing if you are a Democrat or Republican, religious or not, I find it fascinating that we all want to motivate groups of people to do these “right things”.

        The Right wants them to be done in the name of religion. The Left, the Left wants them done in the name of Government. Different names for “group organization” working together to get things done.

        • 🙂 Smells like hope…which is more fragrant than Teen Spirit.

          (no song) 🙂

          oh, what the fuck…

          You’re making me bleed my virtue out. Knock it off. We agree at least that a great many people want the right the thing…which makes me think of Nietzsche’s idea that man must overcome man.

        • I thought the Collective was about converting all life forms to Borg. Wait. Dang. NOW I remember why I shouldn’t have Star Trek on in the background when writing political commentary. 😀
          And in all seriousness (and I’ll probably get my BUTT kicked for this), but “government” and “religion”, in the formalised Western version we have, are actually both what I tend to call “social lubricant” (not THAT kind, you pervs!), which serves to move groups of people past their inherent inertia to doing what needs to be done. And that leads to a WHOLE other conversation about religion as government, which I will NOT inflict on our lovely and gracious hostess! 😉 (Yes, we are all in agreement, I’m not challenging that at all. Just sayin’.)

  4. where does it stop? the federal govt shouldn’t be responsible for helping in a disaster, it should be up to the individual states. well, once the states are stuck with the hot potato, should they tell the counties that they’re responsible for their own disasters? when the counties are responsible, can they tell individual towns that they’re on their own? and when the towns are the ones with the responsibility, can they tell the people that they’re on their own? are we all in this together, or is pain and suffering to be privatized along with everything else?

    • The irony in all this is that the hardcore Republicans talk about states’ rights so they can shrink the government. They seem to fail to understand that if you remove emergency services at the Federal level, you have to create FIFTY such agencies (more if you count DC, Puerto Rico, and the other territories). There’s no economy of scale – you create MORE bureaucracy by having 50 (even if they’re smaller) agencies at state level rather than 1 at the Fed.

      • In their favor, they don’t want oppression by “the man”. In not their favor, a) they personify government in order to convince folks that it’s something *always* outside themselves, as opposed to — when it works right *being* themselves, and b) they fail to understand — or just plain don’t care — that corporations and the wealthy oppress have-nots just as well if not better than governments.

        “The man” is a vacuum that loves to be filled.

        If you’ll pardon the phrase.

      • Hey, I’m all about filling vacuums. The living room one gets filled with dog and cat hair, the basement one with sawdust, and the one between my ears with 35 years’ worth of starship designs (not counting my hundreds of designs for the Traveler role-playing game). 😀
        The words you are looking for rhyme with “cart” and “glass”. 😉

      • There’s no economy of scale

        What you say is true. However, the idea was to preserve the local governments, not make them obsolete. There can be little doubt that the local school board is intimately more aware of the needs of their schools than a bureaucrat in California [I’m from NC, so my example is meant to illustrate distance].

        Further, as the costs of irresponsibility are shared by an ever growing number of people, there is a tendency to remove personal responsibility.

        For the general example of this, see this explanation of the Tragedy of the Commons. Basically what happens when multiple shepherds use a common grazing pasture.

        For the specific example, consider the warning the chief of police of that town in Texas gave as the hurricane came baring down on his city:

        Police were going around in a dump truck trying to get holdouts to evacuate while there was still time. The police chief asked one stubborn couple to write their names and Social Security numbers on their forearms in black magic marker “in case something bad were to happen.” They soon changed their minds, and police were wading an aluminum boat through floodwaters to rescue them.

  5. The GOP is so confusing. The sentense “the crazy nut said something crazy again” is so broad, it may take 20 yes/no question to guess the right nut.

    They should pick 5 nuts who say insane stuff. All the other Republican can’t say anything insane. Even if the only was is to make them use this:

    • That could never work. Sarah Palin would take up 3 of the slots. Then again, a cage match to the death between Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck for one of the slots would be interesting….

    • Oh. My. God. 😯

      Don’t you know bondage is out with Michael Steele, Jean-Philippe? How could you make such a faux pas? Think Reince Priebus.

      Btw, John Erickson was looking for Québécois earlier today. I think he wants to take over the world with your people.

      • Steele left too soon. He didn’t have the chance to implement his vision for the mandatory uniform for the House Speaker:

        Québécois? Who? What? When?

    • Well……um… I guess you could say that about the Quebecois. I was ACTUALLY thinking of giving them their own world, maybe Io or Europa. Not that I don’t love my Canadian Frog Surrender Monkeys …. oops … crap … I meant my brave Northern French offshoots. 😀
      (Like I’ve said eslewhere, I’m banned from Quebec. Don’t know why – they seem to get kinda weird when an American mentions we saved their French ancestors butts in TWO world wars. Never understood why. Then I let slip that “surrender monkey comment. Au revoir, Montreal!) 😉
      (To all our Quebecois readers – DO NOT SEND LETTER BOMBS! I AM JOKING! MONTREAL IS A GREAT CITY FULL OF WONDERFUL PEOPLE! VIVE LE QUEBEC! VIVE LA FRANCE!)
      Is that a sufficient disclaimer?

      • We don’t like war in Québec. People were shooting themselves in the foot to avoid fighthing Hitler… Any war, any, whatever the issue, we’re against it. I don’t know exactly why…

      • If anybody (other than me!) gives you grief about being French (especially the surrender bit), tell ’em about France in 1940. The Nazis are advancing, Britain’s bailing out through Dunkirk. The Italians decide to grab a little land down south, sending 3 mountain divisions and some other forces against a single, understrength, under-equipped French mountain division. The French not only stopped the Italians, but threw them back FARTHER THAN WHERE THEY STARTED! Mussolini had to wait until the German Army finished the job up north. So if anybody rags on the French, at least the French could still whip Italian butt! (See? I’m a font of completely useless information! 😀 )

        • Mussolini saved Moscow from the Germans. The Italians got bogged down fighting Greek partisans, and Hitler had to peel off (if I remember correctly) 2 or 3 tank divisions and 3 motorised (trucks, not halftracks) divisions – which was about half of the southern Army Group’s mobile attack strength. The German Generals wanted into Russia in early May. Compliments of Mussolini, they didn’t start until June 22. The amount of time the Germans ran short in taking Moscow before the snows? Six weeks. Do the math – Mussolini saves Stalin’s butt!

          • Have I mentioned that one of my best friends in this little jerkwater town is a goat? I know I’ve talked about Blackjack elsewhere – not sure if I ever mentioned him on this site. He’s a lotta fun, great conversationalist, wicked sense of humour. Have I mentioned I take large amounts of Vicodin and Valium for my chronic migraines? 😀

  6. Somewhere in all that long winded discussion of Katrina, no one mentioned the main culprit: the United States Army Corps, of Engineers who don’t know the difference between environmental watercourse and ecological intercourse. By the way, is that fellow on the poster the star of that HBO series “Big Love”?

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