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Here’s video of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Barack Obama’s pastor talking about Senator Hillary Clinton.
Republicans are chomping at the bit, foaming at the mouth waiting for Reverend Wright and his colorful rhetoric to “vetted?”. I believe that’s the word being used now.
Wright made me laugh.
Filed under: Campaign 2008, Politics, Religion, video | Tagged: Church, Obama Clinton, Pastor, Wright
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Rev. Wright made me shout. Of course white folks aren’t going to be happy until Obama renounces and rejects Rev. Wright. This is payback for Keith Olberman and Geraldine Ferraro.
The media is attempting to “Blackout” Obama, it’s working.
Jesus was black?
This man is still bitter about the past. He is the right age to have seen injustice. But this country has come along way since slavery days and the beginnings of civil rights..
I think America has been the only country on earth that has done much to redeem those that suffered slavery and also their descendants. We have provided health care, education, jobs, affirmative action, housing, food, etc. While slavery is a evil truth in our history, this generation is not like that. Notice how many people do support Obama, and they are not all black.
What is ironic is that the Republicans have always been the party of choice for blacks who wanted equal treatment and fairness. It was the southern Democrats that held slaves, lynched and discriminated, and opposed civil rights legislation. When it was finally passed, it could not have been passed without the republican votes. Most democrats opposed it. Now, for some ironic reason, blacks turn to the democratic party as their savior. The Republicans have always been there to help blacks. The democrats are new on the scene – past 40 years only.
This current election will deal with homeland security, illegal immigration, and the economy.
marianne
http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/
It’s better this stuff be dealt with now. What can McCain really say when he has some looney toons preacher who hates Catholics.
I understand what Wright is saying and it doesn’t offend me. But somewhere, someone is going to make a huge deal of this.
All of you, thanks for getting a discussion started. Religion, race, and politics are touchy when you’re only talking about one at a time. This knits together all three topics. So, I appreciate people stepping up.
Wright made me laugh when scornfully mentioned the “C” student in the White House. I’m still laughing.
It’s not Wright’s job to be pc. It’s his job to provoke thought and inspire hearts to turn to God as he understands God.
Uh marrianne,
Please explain to me how Republicans have always helped “blacks.
I would argue that America has not “done enough to redeem those that suffered slavery and their descendants. ” Did I miss the Government giving Repartations?.
And PLEASE explain what you mean by this statement:
“. We have provided health care, education, jobs, affirmative action, housing, food, etc.”
mdking, thank you for providing a forum for discussion.
As far as the C student remark I would add, see what happens when F students and Bully’s elect a C student pResident?
bkchk
go back and re-visit black history. I am not sure if the black history has been revised so this is not tuahgt anymore. Politics can provide bias in education.
The republicans were the only party to accept blacks as equals. Blacks were not only members of the republican party but served as representatives in recognized positions. Slavery, Jim crow laws, lynchings, KK Klans, church burnings, blocking civil rights legislation, all were under the democrats, not republicans. Republicans supported the blacks. But now after all the abuse, the democrats falsely claim that it was them. But their voting record over the past hundreds of years does not show this, or their personal behavior. They now tell blacks that the republicans are the bad guys.
Here is a couple of links to get you started
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:_fVZ6qewCRMJ:www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200502180737.asp+blacks+republican+party&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us
http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/2007/10/democrats-own-history-with-race.html
Respectfully, Marianne, Republicans ended their “help” to blacks shortly after Abraham Lincoln.
Ronald Reagan gutted the Civil Rights division in the Department of Agriculture which was directly linked to thousands of black farmers losing their livelihood and property forever.
George Bush I at least helped Africans with aid and supported anti-apartheid sanctions against South Africa. Nothing memorable done in America though.
President Clinton with the arm twisting of a Republican Congress gutted the social programs that put food on the table and shelter over the heads of women and children across America. Welfare-to-Work put whole families on the streets. The myth of the Cadillac driving welfare queen supplanted the reality that 94% of welfare recipients were off assistance within a year. 96% were off in two years. The people considered “always poor” were mostly plagued with debilitating health conditions. This relates to the treatment of blacks in that people of color are disproportionately poor.
Under George W., well, no one has underperformed more for Americans in general, blacks in particular. Katrina recovery remains a national shame. And outsourcing has sent our jobs overseas. With the No Child Left Behind program, 23% of third-graders were “left behind” in Florida in 2003, (they were failed that year) the majority of them black.
That is what Republicans offer black people. Little to nothing.
I lefty a reply, but it did not go through. Check the web for blacks and history of republican party.
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Why%20MLK%20was%20a%20Republican&tp_preview=true
Lefty is a funny slip. Any post with more than one link is put in a queue because of spammers. I’ll peruse the links.
However, my experience with black Republicans has been akin to being sucked into the twilight zone. I’ve heard remarked, “Thank God those slaves were brought over on ships so I can live the prosperous life I’m living today.”
Chilling. Chilling because it’s no different than a Jewish person saying, Thank God for the Holocaust because my family now lives in America.
blkchk, I’m weighing whether it’s fair for Wright to say, “Hillary’s never been called a n—-r.” Before the her campaign took nasty turns toward racebaiting, I’d say probably not.
She has been consistently maligned more than any woman I can think of since the 90s. Republicans spread rumors that was a lesbian, that she killed Vince Foster, and on and on.
She knows what it is to be an object of contempt.
I see Wright as leveling the playing field though, clarifying the realm of what she clearly does not know: what it is like to be black facing an America that convicts blacks disproportionately, imprisons blacks disproportionately, passes on opportunities for equality in education*, enlists blacks disproportionately for military service, overlooks and secures the disproportionate economic and quality of life issues.
(*I’m in Alabama and a few years ago, the state voted AGAINST removing pro segregation language from its Constitution. Pretty frickin’ hideous of the people of Alabama! And religious nutjob, (fired) Judge Roy Moore lead the opposition!)
Marianne,
With all due respect, I don’t need to go to a right wing propoganda neocon website to “learn about black history”. As a matter of fact, it’s the last place I would go if I wanted to be informed and enlightened.
How many Black Republican United States Congressman/women are currently serving in the U.S. House of Representatives? How many African American Senators are currently serving in the United States Senate? What percentage of the African America vote did George W. Bush recieve in 2000 or 2004?
The Republican party of today are yesterdays Democratic party. Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms left the Democratic party after the 1968 convention adopted a pro civil rights agenda and joined the Republican party.
To quote former Rep. Congressman J.C. Watts daddy, “A black republican is like a chicken liking Col. Sanders”.
mdking:
I would agree that Hillary has been maligned and vilified. But I believe there is a difference in being maligned and vilified because of what you believe in and being vilified for who you are. There is a difference in being called a lesibian and accused of crimes and being called the N word. There is a difference in being an object of contempt because of what you stand for not because of who you are. I believe that is the point Rev. Wright made in his sermon.
This whole Rev. Wright thing is a media made weapon of mass distruction in my opinion. The media is playing the excerpts from Wrights sermons over and over in an attempt to appeal to a segment that are looking for validation of their fears and bigotry. I’m praying that the majority of the American people don’t fall prey to the politics of fear and continue to stand tall for our hopes and dreams. This is a media attempt to smear Obama and scare the American people into voting against their self interest.
Thank you again for providing this forum. Please excuse in typo or grammatical errors.
blkchk
republicans have always supported black rights. The democrats only starting soliciting blacks when they were allowed to vote….then they rushed in to say they wanted the black support, and claimed to have done things that the republicans had done for them. this was a different generation, and they fell for it, not knowing the history. now blacks think like the democrats tell them to think…..and they have turned against the party that had given them their rights to begin with. Bu that is their choice.
Marianne,
Do you honestly believe blacks are stupid and can’t think for themselves? As I said in a previous post todays Republicans are yesterdays Democrats. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves and yes he was a member of the Republican party. However, President Lyndon Johnson (Democrat, Texas) gave blacks the right to vote with the 1964 Voting Rights Act. You might want to go and re-visit your history, because you seem to have forgotten a little thing called THE CIVIL WAR. During the Civil War the Republicans were for Preserving the UNION. The Confederates (Democrats) were about succeeding from the UNION. Confederates wanted to succeed from the union so they could have their free black slave labor. Todays Republicans have not and do not support “blacks”. Can you say Katrina? Can you say Clarence Thomas? Can you say anti affirmative action? Can you say anti public schools? Can you say anti integration?
you do not know your own black history. check the period between lincoln and johnson. Most of the democrats at that time opposed the civil rights act, and if it were not for the republicans, you would not have civil rights today.
katrina is an act of god. it has nothing to do with politics. however, the democrat leadership down there was not so hot, and spent the money given them to rebuild the dikes on other things. what about clarence thomas.? he was recommended by former president HW Bush, a republican……..not a democrat….You think only democrats voted for affirmative action?….if so you are brainwashed.
public school integration was opposed by the democrat party even after the civil rights act. it took the military to escort kids into school I remember this. I was there. the democrats are the ones who used to lynch you, use the Jim crow laws, make your grandmother sit in the back of the bus, burn your churches….etc….the republicans never did any of that……so if you cannot see what is wrong with your thinking….then “you cannot think for yourself.”…is a correct statement. most democrats opposed the voting act in 1964
Marianne,
I don’t know if I should laugh or cry at your attempt to paint the Republican party as being pro black folks.
Katrina may have been “an act of God” but Bush and the Republica Administration did a heck of a job of not helping the survivors in the aftermath and beyond. I’m beginning to believe the survivors and those that didn’t survive are being punished for the so called lack of “leadership down there”. I don’t know about the money for the “dikes” being spent on “other things” but I do know a lot of equipment and resources are and were being used in Iraq.
I do remember that President Dwight D. Eishenhow who was a Republican, sent federal troops to Little Rock Arkansas to escort black children to school and to protect them from the white mobs that were there with you.
I am going to end this discussion with the following reminder:
Today’s Republicans are yesterdays Democrats.
I hope you get over your racist mentality against the republicans.
Democrats squandered money for levees? That’s just a big, fat fib. Bush diverted millions for levee maintenance and flood control to the war in Iraq.
Sept 1, 2005
REPORTER: There’s a lot of discussion going on about the funding of projects prior to this, whether projects in New Orleans in particular were underfunded because of the Iraq war or for other reasons. Do you find any of this criticism legitimate? Do you think there is any second guessing to be done now about priorities given that [a disaster in] New Orleans was sort of obvious to a lot of the experts?
MCCLELLAN: As I have indicated, this is not a time for politics. This is a time for the nation to come together for those in the Gulf Coast region and that’s where our focus is. This is not a time for finger-pointing or politics. And I think the last thing that the people who have been displaced or the people who have been affected need is people seeking partisan gain in Washington. So if that’s what you’re talking about, that’s one thing. Now, if you’re talking about specific areas, I would be glad to talk about some of those, if that’s what you want.
REPORTER: I’m talking about policy
REPORTER: One project, for instance, is the one where people felt they needed $60 million in the current ‘06 fiscal year, and they were given $10 million. Those types of projects. And a lot —
MCCLELLAN: Which project is this?
REPORTER: Southeast Louisiana Flood Control.
blkchk, (does that stand for blank check?)
I tried to respond yesterday, but I kept getting server errors.
I do see the difference between attacking what people choose versus what they are.
Without getting to philosophical about this, I thought about analogies like is it worse to have your thumb smashed by a sledge hammer (attacks to Hillary) or cut off with a chain saw (attacks to Obama). Both are so bad that measuring degrees of harm seems trite.
Then I thought about that reporter being ganged up on by the hillbillies. Of course the reports bleeped out the N-word every sentence. It seems the journalist was singled out for attack for no other reason that being black. And that is indefensible.
But I also believe that Hillary was targeted in the ’90s because she was a woman with power. And that’s indefensible. However, that does not negate Wright’s point that Clinton does not know what it is like to be maligned for being black. She could say Wright does not know what it’s like to be maligned for being a woman.
Hillary opened herself up for criticism and became fair game when she failed to stop the race-baiting coming from her campaign. She also failed to acknowledge she knew 100% that Obama was a Christian, not a Muslim (which is a whole other bag of vileness contributing to religious persecution of Muslims.)
mdking,
I hear you mdking, and blkchk can stand for blank check.